User talk:Xenwolf

When in the MonoBook skin, the Search bar is down, so it requires scrolling. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 11:47, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I suggest not to use a user-defined skin. After Wikipedia switched to Vector, MonoBook seems to be no longer maintained by the MediaWiki team. Maybe you can still use MonoBook and change the search bar position via user-defined CSS and/or user-defined JavaScript, but I'm currently not able to help you with this issue. --Xenwolf (talk) 13:27, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

That's in Special:Preferences by the way. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 14:01, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

A nice advantage of MediaWiki is that broken links are immediately visible, which is helpful in pages like EDO#100...199. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 14:01, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Absolutely. I even more like the MediaWiki tables, look here for a little table demo :) --Xenwolf (talk) 14:09, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Why is there a site named dev.xen.wiki that copies the xenharmonic articles and uses Timeless as the default skin? What's the point of that site? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 13:10, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

It's a test page as it seems, there was a poll on Facebook which skin to prefer, it's still open, but a majority for Default (=Vector) is on the horizon. --Xenwolf (talk) 14:28, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Why did you ban me?!

Allowing any list model is the exact opposite of a personal opinion! You are so ironic! PiotrGrochowski (talk) 07:04, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Nobody disallows your opinion. But it's extremely disturbing that you tell people working on this wikis for years that they are childish if they use the simplest thing possible to write lists. Maybe it's a misconception to think that MediaWiki is about coding, it's about writing and communication. Did you read the help pages in Wikipedia or MediaWiki? What do you think about their expertise? They start with simple lists, later they explain HTML-like features, but they try to keep the wiki text as readable as possible and usable in diffs. Most (if not all lists we used in this wiki were simple enough for basic lists). Show me the actual problem that can be solved via template:list that cannot be solved via * and #. I mean: find an existing one, not construct one. I see a problem in very long lines containing a lot of </li><li> markup: they are not easy to change and they have a lower signal-to-noise ratio. And this can be solved by basic lists.
And as to answer your initial question: You try to invent Conventions for the wiki with a lot of effort and when I tried to correct you about this, you show how fast you can revert my justified changes and tell me that I'm vandalizing the wiki? I have not enough time to play this I'm better than you game. I have the feeling that you don't read carefully what other people write.
Best regards --Xenwolf (talk) 13:19, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

It's true that you are worse than me. You are the one trying to push a personal opinion. All list models are equally acceptable and a specific one should not be taught in en:Help:Wiki help, no matter what advantages it might have. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 14:42, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

I suggest to set up an own page "Help:Links" or "Help:Link" to contain the options <ul><li></li></ul> and <ol><li></li></ol> as well as your list template(s), provided that they are introduced with realistic use cases not as "just another opinion". Pages with style A ("my pages") and pages with style B ("your pages") without good reason will cause endless future wars, won't it? As for your claim that preferring * and # would show a "personal opinion": you remember your "unofficial poll"? I hope this helps you understand why a help page should start to teach the simplest way first. And when you claim "All list models are equally acceptable", this is wrong. A list template will have limits, and <br/> doesn't build a valid list, right? The HTML list tags are acceptable if they are well structured even in the source code since basically everyone should be able to edit the wiki not only those who are coding in HTML. Best regards --Xenwolf (talk) 15:37, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Realistic use cases don't matter. Every single list model is subjectively best, so it's very wrong to include only one in en:Help:Wiki help. And all list models really are equally acceptable; it's racist to say that a plaintext or defined list model results in an invalid list. And the convention that an edit consisting only of a list model change should not be done is supposed to prevent the edit war bug. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 16:11, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Maybe en:Help:Wiki help#Lists should soft redirect to en:List model, like dev:Help:Wiki help#Lists does? Whatever the final solution may be, it definitely must show all list models as possibilities that users may use, with no subjective recommendation or anything. The objective advantages and disadvantages are too specific to be shown in the xen.wiki school, and they can always be found out by users later on, so it's best to state all list models neutrally. Can't believe you are complaining while doing worse in en:Help:Wiki help. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 05:17, 16 October 2018 (UTC)